The Charlie Kirk Murder: How Should Christians Respond? I Pastor Matt Kean

September 12, 2025

FCS Episode 37 - The Charlie Kirk Murder

Kyle: [00:00:00] The Charlie Kirk murder. How should Christians respond? That's what I'm gonna talk about today's episode, a special episode. Um, and I'm here with my Freddy, my friend Matt Keen. Um, and I messaged him that today and I said, Hey, uh, I want to talk about this because I think that's a question I have and it's a lot of question that you guys have as well.

Kyle: So I said, let's do a special episode of The Furious Curious Show here and, uh, and talk about that. So, um, it is nine 30 on Wednesday night. Um, the day that, uh, he got killed. Um, and, uh, it is, yeah, it is brutal. Brutal. It affected me. It affected a lot of people.

Matt: Yeah. I cried, cried when it happened. I just, I couldn't control.

Matt: It just came outta me. Yeah. It's awful, man.

Kyle: What do you, what like, how, um, like there's, there's, there's all kinds of evil in the world. Like I was thinking today about, you know, the people in Russia and Ukraine that are. Being murdered right now. I think that's like [00:01:00] 500 people a day. Yeah. And that's tragic.

Kyle: That's it. It's, it's like this, but this is different.

Matt: Something's different about it. Uh, and it's not, it's not normal. Like war is tragic and it's awful. And the loss of life in any regard is terrible. But this is like, uh, I don't know, like there's something deeply wicked about it, you know? Whether you agreed with the guy or not,

Matt: like it's the fact that he was murdered because of his opinions and, you know, traditional values. It just shows that the, the world is, is sick, is really sick.

Kyle: If you can, if you, I dunno if you've thought about this, but if you think it's compared to like Martin Luther King's murder, uh, like back in like the civil rights Yeah.

Kyle: I

Matt: would compare it similarly. [00:02:00] It's equally tragic, right? And, and, and the same. I mean, uh, there are details that are very different, but the end result was the same. It was a man that was presenting an ideal that he really believed in. And as a result of it, somebody thought he was worthy of, of death. It's brutal.

Matt: Hmm.

Kyle: I was reading in at one John, um, five 19. Today it says, we know that we are, uh, children of God and that the world around us is under the control of the evil one. Yeah. Uh, and then, and then it says, uh, in actually one John three, I read it to you earlier, but I thought it was really interesting how, um, it says we must not be like Kaan who belonged to the evil one and killed his brother.

Kyle: And why did he kill him? Because Cain had been doing what was evil and his brother had been doing what was righteous. That's right. And just like people hated, uh, people hate the righteousness. That is the truth. And yeah.

Matt: And Jesus said that. Jesus said, you know, you, the world will hate you. Yeah. [00:03:00] And he's, and he wasn't talking about, you know, uh, he'll hate, he will hate The world will hate you because, you know, uh, individually you stand for your own convictions.

Matt: No, the world will hate you because you reflect even in any regard, my righteousness. And by contrast. It illuminates the wickedness and the sin that's intrinsic in the heart of the world. Hmm.

Kyle: So how do we respond as Christians to this? Oh, as Christians. I'll give you something from your church, comes to you as, as the pastor and says like, Hey, Matt.

Kyle: Like, I like how, why does you know God? Well, it's

Matt: been happening. I've been, you know, texting back and forth and talking to people and Christians are angry because. Well, I just heard someone say for decades, Christians have been saying, look, because we [00:04:00] disagree and because you know, we, we don't line up with certain ideas and we won't nod our head to certain behaviors.

Matt: It doesn't mean we hate you. We've been saying that for decades and now you have a picture of hate and uh uh, and, um. You know, the, the Christian has been saying, look, you know, that's real hate. That's the, just because there's disagreement that doesn't equal hate. And now we're at this stage where we're actually seeing the manifestation of real hate.

Matt: Yeah. It wants to destroy. Right. That's, it's so, so how does a Christian react? First of all, we've gotta be. Holy. We've, we've, like Jesus said, when he hung on the cross, father forgive them. They know not what they do. [00:05:00] The world is blinded by the devil, and people who aren't submitted to Christ in their heart are blind.

Matt: It's, that's the truth of it. They're, they're, they're blind by, by Satan according to scripture. And, um, their desires are not for anything good according to scripture. And it's time that we face that, like you, eventually the Christian will have to stand on Christ alone. And I don't think this will be an oddity, sadly.

Matt: I that's, that's, well, if you look at

Kyle: history, it hasn't, no,

Matt: that's my genuine feelings. I think this will actually Mark A. Day in history where, um, the actual born again lover of Christ. Will, will be the

Kyle: enemy. But hasn't that always been the case? Like if you look at the his, like the history of the church and the amount of martyrs there's been, if you look at like, the [00:06:00] amount of Christians that have died Yep, yep.

Kyle: Throughout

Matt: history. It's,

Kyle: it's just,

Matt: but we, it hasn't been for the last. Especially not in the west. The west is now seeing it and, and we're gonna start feeling it, I believe.

Kyle: Yeah. We're going back to normal, like John. Yeah. John Piper says the last 300 years in, in, in the West of being the anomaly when it comes to Christianity, in the history of Christianity, it's always been mostly persecution.

Kyle: And now we're going back to what it, you know, kind of always has been.

Matt: It's true. And whether we go back, uh, okay. So quickly, so I'm sorry. Whether we go back to per being persecuted quickly or slowly, uh, I, I think what we will see is the contrast between real faith and fake claims of faith because it's only those who are filled with the Holy Spirit that will endure.

Matt: Yeah. Why would you if you weren't?

Kyle: Yeah, so there's a lot of fear out there right now, even [00:07:00] among Christians, and there's a lot of anger. Mm-hmm. Uh, so you said, um, to be like Christ doing their crosses, forgive them. I don't know that what they do, but like, that's, that's tough. Well, it's not just tough, but can you make it more granular or more practical?

Kyle: Like what? Like what do we do with this? If, if someone's, like, I had someone message me today and, and said, I want justice now. I want real vengeful justice. I want to see them feel it and hurt. I yearn for justice so badly and seeing evil get stronger and stronger, nothing ever happens makes me lose hope.

Kyle: Um, is

Matt: that person born again?

Kyle: I believe so. I don't know. I don't know, but I believe so. What, like what we,

Matt: the Lord says vengeance is mine as only God's. Right. And as Christians, we can rest in that. We know that justice will come. It's a, it's a, it's a pro. It's a promise. And it's a promise that is irrevocable.

Matt: It's not gonna change. Justice is going to come and the Lord will have [00:08:00] his. Vengeance and make everything right. The Christian needs in these kinds of places to remember that first, without Christ, our hearts are no different.

Kyle: Why? Why does that make you emotional when you say that?

Matt: It's easy to forget, right? Our hearts are no different than the violist. We just have the grace of God covering us all the time. But like you take your eyes off him and his standard, even for a moment, you could pull the trigger to, in your angriest moment, you might think you're better. But when pushed right to the mark, your hatred will become as vile as the hatred that you hate to [00:09:00] see without Christ.

Matt: Yeah. When the Christian has to retreat into Jesus, there's no way you're you because you'll become like the world you hate. There, there's, there's no guardrails inside the Christian heart. If we aren't submitted to the Lord's standard all the time, there's nothing to keep us from becoming like every other enemy.

Matt: Right? Like it's, it's just the way we are by nature. That's why Marxism failed, because it forgets that the inner person is the problem, not the person on the outside, the oppressor, the one that's the problem is us in here. And that's why the world is so sick, is because we're trying to avoid facing who we are in here.

Matt: And in order to face who you are in here, you have to face the light of Christ. And people aren't willing to do that 'cause we're ugly and we're gross.

Kyle: Interesting you say that. 'cause I kind [00:10:00] of feel that hap that can easily happen in a situation like this when we, something is very clearly evil. Mm. And it becomes, uh, a political thing of like my freedoms.

Kyle: Mm. Or like my rights. Mm. Like, how dare you take my rights away from me, or et cetera. But it's, we're forgetting that. Hey, like if we forget that we're, our hearts are first, or we, we need to be transformed to ourselves first, that, um, we can become Pharisees.

Matt: Yeah. I mean, rights are important and we, uh, like I want the rights of everyone, even the people I disagree with, right?

Matt: I want them to be treated with dignity and respect. Um, but at the same time, you know, my right to myself has to be forfeit because. Jesus is my Lord, and he has to be exalted, first and foremost at any cost. It's a sickly feeling, isn't it? When you have to, like, I think, [00:11:00] like I was talking to my son, he's, he's not even 16 yet.

Matt: He's almost 16, and he said he heard it on the news. He came through his, uh, I don't know, YouTube or something, and he said, dad, this guy Charlie Kirk was just shot. And I was like, oh, are you serious? I said, is he dead? And he said, they don't know yet. That was really early. And then his words were, I don't, I don't even understand why he was shot.

Matt: Like it has nothing to do with whether or not he was saying something politically left or right of the spectrum. Why in the world? Would somebody who just, you know, speaks their opinion, be getting shot?

Matt: You know, how, [00:12:00] how do you explain that to a teenager and now of course the

Kyle: how do you explain to a teenager? Well, I

Matt: did. I said, buddy, the world is wicked. And, and anyone who, uh, cuts against the grain and, and, and doesn't go with, you know, the way society thinks they should, will, uh, you know, first be ostracized, I guess, but at worst made the enemy.

Matt: Hmm.

Kyle: Why would, why didn't God stop it? Like, what did he allow it to happen or why, how come he didn't intervene? Like was Charlie? Someone said to me, is Charlie really done with his mission and work here on Earth?

Kyle: I think you'll find

Matt: that Charlie Kirk will be more powerful now than he ever was alive.

Kyle: Yeah. I think the [00:13:00] idea to someone today too. Yeah, but

Matt: I think the idea of him and what he. Like I was just speaking to someone. He, he was a proud American, like he was a constitutionalist. And, um, um, like he represented an idea of, of the past, I'm gonna say like the, the idea of, uh, a America.

Matt: Representing a bastion of freedom in the world. Like for I'll, this is the, the example I'll give. When Hong Kong was being seeded by or taken over by, um, what was it, annex or something like that. By whatever, by China. The, the, when the agreement left and, and Hong Kong was protest, the people of Hong Kong were protesting.

Matt: They weren't waving British flags. They weren't waving Canadian flags. They were waving an [00:14:00] American flag. And because it represents something right globally in Iran, just recently when there's people in the streets and you know, the government is executing people, the people there are waving American flags because it represents something.

Matt: And Charlie Kirk embodied what that represents, right? A a different kind of era, a different kind of age when freedom. Was known and remembered as the pinnacle value to live for, and I think him being shot represents the hatred for that standard.

Kyle: Freedom.

Matt: Yeah.

Kyle: And so that's the pinnacle value to live for, is that the pinnacle value to live for is freedom.

Matt: Probably not, but I'll, as a society, without freedom, you don't have anything in that society, [00:15:00] you know, uh, worth putting on any pedestal because without freedom it can all be knocked over and taken from you. Freedom is what gives you the ability to appreciate whatever you place on that pedestal.

Kyle: Yeah,

Matt: it's a weird.

Matt: It's weird because I, I, I appreciate, it's weird. It's, I appreciated him

Kyle: more for his, also his, like, especially in the last five years, in the early years when he started turning Point USA, I didn't see a lot of this, but especially in the last year, is how open he was about his faith. Mm. And a lot of the debate debates he was happening, were around more around starting to shift more around that.

Kyle: Yeah, totally.

Matt: Especially in the last five or six months.

Kyle: Yeah. And so that's what I, I, I see more, but because we're not fighting for. Like America, we're fighting for God's kingdom. Mm. As Christians. Yeah. Right. Like it's not about nationalism.

Matt: Yeah.

Kyle: So it, so what's the, um,

Matt: and ultimately just recently I heard him, oh, it was a few weeks back.

Matt: Uh, [00:16:00] he was doing one of those campus things that he does, um. Where he debates with people and or has an open mic. And he said something along those lines, not verbatim, but along the lines of his ultimate goal was that the person he was talking to would know the hope and freedom that comes from having Christ within.

Matt: And uh, that made them more angry. Yeah. Right. So I give them. I, uh, you know, it, it was, it, I think it was a shock because of all the people to be murdered as far as like my own judgment sees. He was pretty benign

Kyle: as a, yeah. Anyway. Okay, and, and, uh, [00:17:00] what about. Like, use Paul and Silas for example, when they were in prison, uh, they were singing.

Kyle: Yeah. Uh, in, in, I think it's in somewhere in Hebrews, it says, um, Hebrews 10 34. I've quoted it before here in the podcast. Um, for, you had compassion of those in prison and you joyfully accepted the plundering of your property since you knew that you were, you yourselves had a better possession and an abiding one.

Kyle: Mm. And so these guys are going to, Christians are gonna prison, go see, gonna single their buddies in prison while they're. Their stuff, their houses are being plundered and they're going joyfully. Mm. They're they're singing. Yeah. Because they know of a hope of something that's much bigger Yeah. Than your maybe your personal freedom, uh, of your country or, um, you know, fear of death or whatever.

Kyle: Those things like that. How, how, how does, how does a Christian somebody get to that spot? 'cause I think there's a lot of Christians that are, don't feel that way. They're not that joyful. At they as they see this all encroaching as they see, you know, [00:18:00] the world shift or whatever it is. But that is the fact of, of how the Christians in the New Testament were responding to, um, the persecution that they were getting at.

Kyle: Just they had a hope beyond.

Matt: Yeah. Uh. Uh, you, you can't have it without a true born again, born of the spirit encounter with the living God. Religion isn't gonna cut it. And I would say to any Christians listening, if you are, if you know within your own self, 'cause nobody can judge your own heart. If you know within yourself, you're not right with the Lord.

Matt: You know, you grew up Christian or you read a Bible or something like that there, but you know, deep within your heart, the spirit of God isn't residing in there with dominance. You are not going to cut it. You're not gonna make it. Religion is gonna collapse. There's no power in it. It's weak. It's pathetic because it can't endure the kinds of trials that the Lord tells us is going to [00:19:00] come.

Matt: And you can't love through that kind of evil. Like it's just, you're not going to be able to do it. Um, you know, when someone wants your throat, you're not gonna love that person without the love of Christ loving them through you. Um, I think. Uh, I said to my congregation a little while ago, um. From the pulpit.

Matt: It's time we get serious about the warnings that Jesus put in scripture, right? Like, watch, therefore, and pray. Christians are some of the worst prayers I, I, I've spoken to. Um, we just don't do it. Or we pray for things, you know, but like Jesus was saying, no, like. Spend yourself in prayer because you need strength.

Matt: You are going to need strength. So the encouragement is that Jesus wants to give all of Himself, all of his joy, all of his love, all of his [00:20:00] power to overcome to the believer. But. We've got to stop playing petty little games with religion, claiming that we're, you know, we're Christian, but we're not a Christian.

Matt: You know what I mean? It's, we gotta take this seriously. This is serious. The world is collapsing just like our Lord told us. And the only hope, the only hope is the one that Christ offers.

Kyle: Amen.

Matt: Yeah. Right.

Kyle: And so if someone's listening here today and to our conversation and, and feels convicted of that Yeah.

Kyle: And, and, or, or maybe thinks I, I might not be a Christian.

Matt: Yeah, well, get on your knees. Get on your knees and, and call upon the Lord who promises you. He's redemption. Like fall there, collapse there. Lord, you are the Lord. Forgive me for trying to be a Christian without you and, and just [00:21:00] give him yourself.

Matt: It's an exchange. He put himself on the cross to give you his life and give you your, give him yours anyway. I'm passionate about it because I, I, I, I see a kind of discipleship that's not going to make it. What does that mean? It means that people that Christians aren't taking. You know what we've been told over and over again.

Matt: Seriously, you can't be friends with the world. Love the world and love God. You can't. The Bible says it one. John, you cannot be friends with the world and still claim that you have the spirit of God within you. It's impossible.

Kyle: What does it mean to be a friend of the world?

Matt: Like to love the things of the world.

Matt: It's systems, the way it works. Like you, it's antichrist from the word go, [00:22:00] right? Yeah.

Kyle: Where do your affections lie?

Matt: Yeah. It is time we'd be different. We we to, to, to look different, to act different, to talk different, to pray different to worship, different, to sacrifice different for his sake, so that others will find him attractive.

Matt: The guy that shot Charlie Kirk, if he's not yet dead, can still be saved. And Charlie Kirk, according to what I heard Charlie Kirk say, wanted him to be saved. Right. Like, and the only hope for that guy or anyone like him is that Jesus still died for him and loves him.

Kyle: I read a, uh, a quote today from MacArthur, uh, John MacArthur.

Kyle: Um, ironic 'cause he didn't die that long ago. But he says, we don't fear death because death is not the end. It's the beginning. Death is not a sad event. Death is a joyous event because this is what usher rush into which God has prepared for us to enjoy forever. Yeah. Just himself. Um, [00:23:00] and I thought that was a a, it's just a curtain.

Kyle: Yes. It's all it is for us. Yeah. But I think it's, it's, um, for the believer it's also. Well, that's

Matt: what I mean for the believer. So for the disciple, I'm not even gonna say believer anymore. For the disciple of Jesus Christ, death is just a curtain. Yeah. It closes, it opens right.

Kyle: For the convert. Yeah. So, but, but I think for the believer, we, we, we don't need to fear.

Kyle: Right. Like the Bible says everywhere. Fear not for I'm with you. And I think that's an important, um, message for Christians, uh, that follow, that follow Christ to know, right? Because, um. We, these things can rattle us, right? Say, and can use even these things to like, bring fear into our lives and get us to pull back and stuff like that.

Kyle: But we shouldn't pull back. We should be bold. Mm-hmm. We should share this message. It, it, the gospel is the greatest message of all [00:24:00] time. Like, there, there's nothing better. And what an amazing time to go tell people about this. It's. Yeah. Like, because everything else loses and, and it

Matt: should be embol, the gospel should be emboldening

Kyle: Yes.

Kyle: Us.

Matt: Yes. Right. Rather than, I mean we are Well

Kyle: if you know it's true. Yeah. If you know who Jesus rose from the dead and we're

Matt: so reluctant to talk about who Jesus is, 'cause it might offend someone, but I actually think it's because we don't want to be offended by what might. Come as a response.

Kyle: Well, we believe more that we wanna be comfortable, if that's the what's happening.

Kyle: We believe more, we wanna be comfortable than we want people to believe. Our actions show what we believe. Right? Yeah.

Matt: Like there's no,

Kyle: well, don't, you don't really believe it, even if you see it. Oh, yeah,

Matt: yeah, yeah. I, I'm sorry. I was in my head. Yeah, I mean, if you see, if you see,

Kyle: if you see a semi-truck barreling at someone and you don't scream at them to get outta the way, well then you either don't believe the guy's actually barreling at [00:25:00] the semi-trucks barreling at them, or you don't really care about the person.

Matt: You know, I'm, I'm of the belief that in the last few decades as not Christianity, but as the Christian or the one who claims to be a Christian has gotten less vocal, less. Um, zealous for the souls of the lost, um, society has gotten weaker.

Kyle: Well, doesn't it just prove that those people weren't Christians like you?

Kyle: That's what you're saying. That, and, and you're saying, I'm not gonna use the word, I can't

Matt: judge someone eternally, but like the Lord told me, I can't. I can't tell anyone's eternal fate, but I find you find by their fruits. I, yeah. I find it very, very difficult to believe that a person can be filled with the spirit of God baptized with living water, [00:26:00] and not be so concerned about someone who's eternally lost that they won't speak of their savior.

Matt: I find it extremely difficult. Extremely difficult to believe. Yeah.

Kyle: Okay. Wanna wrap things up here? I don't think this has to be, uh, a long conversation, but I think it's, um, important to end with the gospel. Uh, what is the gospel and what is the message that Christians get to share, um, with, with the world in light of.

Kyle: The Charlie Kirk murder ultimately. 'cause I think that's ultimately how Christians should respond is we should respond with the gospel in words and, and at our actions. Yeah.

Matt: I'd say the gospel requires an understanding of one prerequisite, and the prerequisite is we have no hope without. No hope without [00:27:00] Jesus who was given to us, we, all of our best efforts will result in our own destruction.

Matt: 'cause that's what, that's the innermost desire, is that we want to destroy the image of God. That's, you know, being born by the other and there is no hope without Christ. No hope whatsoever. That's the prerequisite. Everyone needs to understand the whole world. But now the good news is that Jesus came into the world to rescue hopeless and wicked, vile, rotten criminal sinners like me and everyone else, so that we can have hope.

Matt: Like that's why he came. His precious, spotless, pure blood that was worth more than all of us combined was spilt, so that we could have legs to stand on before a holy God. We have no hope without him, and we're trying all kinds of [00:28:00] stupid, silly things and there's no hope in it.

Matt: Christians need to get serious. It's time to, I think we're in the last part of the church, like before we enter glory, like we need to get serious. The world's not getting better. And if you think it is, you're a fool. But the gospel stays the same. It's light and bright and beautiful. It is.

Kyle: Yeah. It is. It is.

Kyle: It is. Good news. To the full, to the fullest degree. Yeah. Good. Good news. Um. Guys, if you enjoyed this, uh, share it with, uh, uh, someone and, and, and give them this message and pray. And, and that they would, um, hear this message ultimately of the gospel and how to, how to respond to this 'cause it is very hard.

Kyle: Um, would you, uh, would you close, um, for and, and pray for everyone that's, uh, listening and Sure. And that they would be given the, um, no Christ. Yeah. In, in the real way.

Matt: Yeah. So [00:29:00] let me start by, if you are listening to this and you are not. A disciple of Jesus. And what I mean by that is you have not yielded your life to the the living God.

Matt: Then it's easy. It's easy to lay yourself at the feet of the only king with power. And I would hope and pray that you would do that and just whisper the, the deepest, most honest prayer you can muster up. Realizing that God loves to forgive sinners, but he will only forgive those who want his forgiveness.

Matt: Let me pray. God our Heavenly Father,

Matt: thank you Lord for your love that we do not deserve. [00:30:00] And forgive us, oh Lord, for looking at your goodness and your grace and spitting in your face over and over and over again, trying to be our own Gods. Trying to do things our own way and trying to have our own justice and take vengeance for ourselves and vindicate our own names.

Matt: Forgive us. You are the Lord. And only you are righteous and holy Lord, I pray right now first Lord for the church, your precious sons and daughters that have given their lives to you at any cost. I pray, oh Lord, that you would empower us. That you would bless us Lord, with more and more and more of your grace upon our lives Lord, so that we can walk in this world reflecting the light of Christ our king.

Matt: I pray God, that we would put ourselves a distant second to your [00:31:00] glory. I pray, Lord, that we would see in other people the image of God that can be redeemed and made to look beautiful and bought at the precious blood of Jesus. And I pray, oh Lord, with all my heart, that if there is anyone. That hasn't yet yielded to Christ that they would do so in faith, believing that he is good and that he loves us, and that he wants to save before his triumphant return.

Matt: And Lord, by your grace, I ask, oh Lord, that you would rebuke the evil one that comes against your church, rebuke him, oh God, with your eternal word, so that he feels the pain and suffering of your judgment against him. So that your standard in this world will not be hindered. We pray this in Jesus' name.

Kyle: Amen. Amen. Amen. Thanks for listening guys. Catch you on the next one. God bless [00:32:00] you.

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