Why Are You Working Out So Much? - Briefcase & The Barn EP 98

June 3, 2026

[00:00:00] KYLE: Either Russia or the United States. Russia is at war, and what's happening is the Ukrainian drones are attacking Russian [00:00:10] oil refineries and export hubs. So the world, in the short term, have, has no choice but to look to [00:00:20] America for its energy needs. And what did Trump do recently? He took over, he took over Venezuela[00:00:30]

[00:00:35] GARY: Hey, Josh, how are you? Hey, good, Gary. How are you? Really good[00:00:40]

[00:00:44] Catching up. Yeah

[00:00:48] Yeah, I was just curious in your, [00:00:50] uh, in your network there, do you guys have a bunch of those Bobcats that you're, tractors that you're still trying to get rid of? Like I saw you had a couple smaller ones in Abbotsford, but do you have some larger ones at all or?[00:01:00]

[00:01:08] Yeah[00:01:10]

[00:01:15] Yeah[00:01:20]

[00:01:21] Okay. Any more of the 25, 35 horse ones or they're all gone?[00:01:30]

[00:01:31] Yeah

[00:01:35] Yeah[00:01:40]

[00:01:42] Or the... Okay. You wanna just send me a list of the ones that you have? The tractors? Yeah? [00:01:50] Okay

[00:01:57] Yeah, I mean, I'd be interested in all of them if I get a really good deal. [00:02:00] Like, yeah, you know what I mean? Just, I mean, obviously if you're done, if you-- They... You're obviously not selling them at any of the stores anymore, right? Like, we're talk- [00:02:10] Yeah, we have them. Yeah. Then send me the full list, one hundred percent of all the tractors[00:02:20]

[00:02:21] Okay

[00:02:29] Yeah. [00:02:30] Yeah, maybe make a, send me a list then and just text it to me or whatever, email, whatever works for you when you got a second. Okay, thank you. I'll take a look once I see it, and I'll get back to [00:02:40] you. Yeah, bye.

[00:02:42] KYLE: Has the world's greatest oil reserves. He's threatening Canada. He's threatening Greenland, [00:02:50] Mexico, Colombia.

[00:02:52] If Trump controls the entire Western Hemisphere, the entire world has to beg Trump [00:03:00] for energy and resources. And this saves both the U.S. dollar as well

[00:03:06] GARY: as the American empire. That's a great [00:03:10] podcast. Are you praying?

[00:03:11] KYLE: Sure. Lord Jesus, thanks for today. Thank you that Gary and I get to record right now.

[00:03:16] Please help us, uh, in our, well, whatever we're doing [00:03:20] here. Um, and, um, thank you. In Jesus' name, amen.

[00:03:25] GARY: Amen. [00:03:30] I'm fine, right? I got a twitch in my eye, but

[00:03:35] KYLE: Nice and close to the mic there

[00:03:37] GARY: Yep [00:03:40]

[00:03:40] KYLE: What do we got here? Episode 97. I did watch, uh, some- Oh,

[00:03:44] GARY: just,

[00:03:44] KYLE: just- S-

[00:03:45] GARY: s- Just talk about it on the podcast. Like, we don't have that much to talk about We're

[00:03:48] KYLE: recording it.

[00:03:48] We're recording. Okay. I said Episode [00:03:50] 97.

[00:03:50] GARY: Oh, okay.

[00:03:51] KYLE: Welcome, welcome back.

[00:03:53] GARY: Used to your, uh-

[00:03:55] KYLE: My big, uh, thing. Your thing I actually listened, watched, uh, an episode back last week, which I never do.

[00:03:59] GARY: Okay. [00:04:00]

[00:04:00] KYLE: I wa- I'll watch the first edit in 2.0 speed to set the chapters, and then fast-forward the chapters quickly.

[00:04:06] When I finish, I watched the final edit, so I wanted to change some things. Um, [00:04:10] it was interesting watching it back. What I wanted to change was the intro. Way too long. Just get right into it. When we started the podcast- Yeah ... it was like a [00:04:20] two-second intro. Yeah. Let's just get into it, so.

[00:04:22] GARY: Okay.

[00:04:22] KYLE: Anyways, but I also realized how far off I was on my Avalanche were gonna sweep predictions [00:04:30] and, uh, 'cause I said that it was gonna be that, and now the Avalanche are down three-nothing-

[00:04:34] GARY: Okay

[00:04:34] KYLE: in the series.

[00:04:35] GARY: Yeah.

[00:04:35] KYLE: And I was bigging off about Tortorella and his Vegas Golden Knights are doing pretty good.[00:04:40]

[00:04:42] GARY: I mean, I feel like the Avalanche gets to come back and win the series. It's never happened before in the Western Con- Final. Tonight's game four. By the time this [00:04:50] gets released, I'm sure the Avalanche will probably be long gone from the playoffs, but- Yeah ... who knows?

[00:04:54] KYLE: It'll be interesting.

[00:04:55] GARY: They have a solid team.

[00:04:57] KYLE: Good weekend?

[00:04:58] GARY: Yeah, I went to the, uh, [00:05:00] I asked you if you wanted to go, but your wife was gone for the weekend, apparently- Right ... so you were on full-on dad duty. But we had bought tickets a long time ago to the Rat Nak [00:05:10] fundraiser.

[00:05:10] KYLE: Mm-hmm.

[00:05:11] GARY: And for those of you that, it's actually one of the better podcasts.

[00:05:15] According to someone the other day, I told them I was going to the fundraiser, that's the only good podcast that you've ever [00:05:20] done.

[00:05:22] KYLE: Wow.

[00:05:22] GARY: It was meant to be a slam at me, right? That any- Oh, okay ... of the ones I'm on suck. It wasn't meant to be a shot at you. It was meant to be like, it was, it was my brother-in-law, right?

[00:05:29] And [00:05:30] so he says he doesn't listen to me, but, um, he was saying that, uh... Anyways.

[00:05:35] KYLE: The Rat Nak Podcast with

[00:05:36] GARY: Brian McConaughey. The Rat Nak Podcast with Brian, how do you pronounce his last name?

[00:05:38] KYLE: Brian McConaughey.

[00:05:39] GARY: [00:05:40] McConaughey, yeah. So he was actually not at the fundraiser. His health's not great.

[00:05:43] KYLE: Oh, okay.

[00:05:44] GARY: Yeah, he's not doing that well.

[00:05:45] He was at home. There was a video recording.

[00:05:47] KYLE: Okay, 'cause I was gonna ask him to come back on, 'cause someone actually sent [00:05:50] me a message this morning asking about some of the things he said on the podcast. And I was like, "Oh, it'd be sweet to have him back on." And, 'cause it's definitely the people, the podcast- Good

[00:05:58] that people talk to me about the most.

[00:05:59] GARY: Well, I went, [00:06:00] bought tickets, and made a donation. Yeah. That justified him coming out for the podcast. Okay. That's how I look at it.

[00:06:06] KYLE: All right. '

[00:06:06] GARY: Cause I really appreciated him coming on, and I thought more y- [00:06:10] I mean, obviously what he's doing is amazing, what the organization is doing is amazing, but more importantly, I feel like, um, his view on humanity and the gospel I thought was [00:06:20] pretty cool.

[00:06:20] KYLE: Yeah, yeah.

[00:06:20] GARY: It's like he has- I th- I thought he had a, I thought he had a healthy perspective for some- somebody that sees horrif- horrifying things.

[00:06:26] KYLE: Yes. Some of the best perspectives. And he dropped a lot of truth bombs in there. [00:06:30] Yeah. It was kind of like, yeah, a little mini lesson for

[00:06:33] GARY: you. Sermon at the end

[00:06:34] KYLE: there.

[00:06:34] GARY: Yeah. Yeah. He told a lot of his story about... Anyways, I won't share it. It's obviously a bad- Didn't care for [00:06:40] the event, to be

[00:06:40] KYLE: honest.

[00:06:41] GARY: Yeah. Um, first of all-

[00:06:43] KYLE: Did, uh, you, uh, go to the bathroom for a half hour and, and, uh- Escape ... in Marie's word, Marie's terms, Gary calls [00:06:50] me on the phone on Saturday, and Marie's in the background saying, "He's just gonna go to the bathroom then end up talking to someone- And just disappear

[00:06:56] I'm gonna be

[00:06:57] GARY: alone for a half hour." Yeah, so I tried not to do that. Didn't leave her [00:07:00] alone with too many strangers, but she has zero desire to go to those things, and I have b- I have booked more tables at fundraisers and went to more charity events that she-

[00:07:09] KYLE: [00:07:10] You probably see it up, coming up on calendar and forgot you booked it.

[00:07:13] GARY: I p- booked it a long time ago. Even when I booked it, I mean, I should have... I mean, y- you guys were gone, but it would've been really cool if you could've went, seeing that you [00:07:20] had him on the podcast. Um, but yeah, he wasn't there. There was Cambodian dancers. Not my kind of thing. Um, it was in Burnaby, not my place.[00:07:30]

[00:07:30] Uh, it was a beautiful venue. It was at a golf course in Burnaby, Riv- Riverway Golf Course. My place. Is it your kind of place, a golf course? My place. Yeah, it would be. Yeah. Um, we stayed in [00:07:40] Burnaby.

[00:07:41] KYLE: Yeah.

[00:07:42] GARY: The whole, the whole pro-... Like, stayed at a hotel. Guess what it costs at this hotel? It w- this is- Oh, you stayed

[00:07:47] KYLE: overnight,

[00:07:47] GARY: oh, wow.

[00:07:47] Stayed overnight. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. Tried to make a [00:07:50] getaway out of it. Um, that got really weird. Like, you're looking at me like I got three eyeballs in my forehead. S- so literally, we go eat at this [00:08:00] dinner. Didn't get that much food. Hadn't ate, ate much in the day. So after we come back, Marie's like, wants to relax and just, like, read a book.

[00:08:07] I've

[00:08:07] KYLE: seen this menu. There's, like, there was a lot of food there, no?

[00:08:09] GARY: Yeah, it's [00:08:10] surprisingly little when it's a fancy place- Okay ... and it's $200 a plate, but.

[00:08:13] KYLE: Fair enough.

[00:08:14] GARY: So I end up going to Earl's by myself. So this is our night out, right? She's back in the room [00:08:20] reading some book. I'm out sitting by myself, pounding music, just complete insanity at a restaurant.

[00:08:26] Working. Working, reading the Financial Post newspaper, [00:08:30] thinking, "Oh my, the more things change, the more they stay the same." Yeah. 'Cause I was having flashbacks to, like, Ontario one time, like 12, 13 years ago. Did I tell you this story? We went, [00:08:40] we went on some trip, and we got a hotel, and all of a sudden, it's like 3:00 in the morning and she wakes up and says, "Where's my husband," right?

[00:08:46] Well, I was at some casino, right?

[00:08:48] KYLE: Oh, wow.

[00:08:48] GARY: 1,200 bucks in [00:08:50] deep be- you know, thinking I was gonna win it back or playing poker or something and anyways, really upset. She didn't want you the other casino. Really upset. Really upset. Yeah, this time she was not upset, but we're on the same page. [00:09:00] I said, "Hey, what do you want me to do?"

[00:09:01] I was gonna get her food, but have you ever tried to get food for your wife and nothing is the right thing?

[00:09:05] KYLE: No.

[00:09:06] GARY: Okay, well, good for you. You don't order un- Good for you ...

[00:09:08] KYLE: you don't order unless you know it's gonna [00:09:10] be

[00:09:10] approved

[00:09:10] GARY: No, I tried, but it's not that simple, right? No. Anyways, that was that event.

[00:09:15] KYLE: Okay, yeah.

[00:09:16] Yeah, I was, I was, uh, home all weekend. That was, it was fun. Thur- Nicole left [00:09:20] Thursday, came back Monday afternoon, so I just handed her to the oldest and-

[00:09:22] GARY: Okay, she took the little guy.

[00:09:23] KYLE: Yeah, so went golfing and watched a whole bunch of sports and played a whole bunch of sports and, and, uh- Okay ... Malik got beat at baseball [00:09:30] games

[00:09:31] GARY: Okay.

[00:09:32] They both play baseball?

[00:09:33] KYLE: Yeah.

[00:09:33] GARY: Now are they hitting it off a T-ball or s- stand, or

[00:09:35] KYLE: somebody hit pitching to them? No, now that Sage is, Malachi's nine, he's already pitching. They already pitch-

[00:09:39] GARY: Okay ...

[00:09:39] KYLE: in the first two [00:09:40] innings. Yeah. Yeah, it's, uh, it's... They're competitive, and it's fun. And I coach Malachi's game, so- Okay

[00:09:46] my parents come out and watched.

[00:09:49] GARY: Okay, [00:09:50] nice. Our kids are not really doing any sports. Bit of piano, bit of horseback riding. In our family, you have to really wanna do something to get to do something.

[00:09:58] KYLE: Yeah. Well, and it's, and a, and it's a different [00:10:00] situation. Uh, you have five kids versus... Like, I can see it already if I had four kids, I don't know if I'd be doing baseball.

[00:10:06] GARY: Ah, families do. I'm impressed, man.

[00:10:08] KYLE: Yeah, I'm sure they do. I'm sure- It

[00:10:08] GARY: feels insane, but

[00:10:09] KYLE: people- ... it's a lot [00:10:10] of work. And actually your Saturdays are, uh- Yeah, and

[00:10:11] GARY: it's expensive ...

[00:10:11] KYLE: your Saturdays are gone for 10 weeks.

[00:10:14] GARY: Okay. At least, okay, so it's a 10-week window. Yeah, people do a lot of sports. People feel it's very important, some people.

[00:10:19] Other [00:10:20] people think it's a horrible thing to do. Like, seems to be polarizing, just like everything in this world.

[00:10:24] KYLE: I,

[00:10:25] GARY: I did- I don't have an opinion

[00:10:25] KYLE: on it ... hear someone say that you don't want your, the, the [00:10:30] kids growing up to think that life revolves around them. That's not, that's not healthy for them.

[00:10:35] GARY: No, it's definitely not, not healthy for anyone to be that way.

[00:10:38] KYLE: Yeah.

[00:10:39] GARY: Most of us [00:10:40] naturally are that, or I'm naturally that way. Won't speak for other people. I naturally think that, like my schedule matters more than other people, so-

[00:10:46] KYLE: Yeah ...

[00:10:47] GARY: well, maybe that's-

[00:10:48] KYLE: Is that why you show up late?

[00:10:49] GARY: No, I was [00:10:50] on early today, actually. No, I'm just- Turned

[00:10:53] KYLE: over as a general

[00:10:53] GARY: rule ... not generally.

[00:10:54] As a general rule. Yeah. No, it's 'cause I'm bad at time management. It's not 'cause I think I'm important.

[00:10:59] KYLE: All

[00:10:59] GARY: [00:11:00] right. I always think I can do one more thing. You're hard- I inherited that trait from my mother.

[00:11:04] KYLE: You're hard, you're, you're okay.

[00:11:05] GARY: Yeah. Just throw her right under the bus. But totally, like always just try to cram one more thing in and then [00:11:10] just end up being late, and somebody's left being frustrated.

[00:11:14] KYLE: Interesting.

[00:11:15] GARY: So.

[00:11:16] KYLE: Julius just texted me, "Get me on the pod." Well, come up here, buddy.[00:11:20]

[00:11:22] GARY: He's working, right? I literally gave him a job to do, right?

[00:11:25] KYLE: Oh.

[00:11:26] GARY: Yeah. Only-- And I only did it 'cause I had this in the schedule, so. [00:11:30]

[00:11:30] KYLE: This is such a terrible recording. Um

[00:11:35] GARY: I'm off Twitter, right? So I'm-

[00:11:37] KYLE: Oh,

[00:11:37] GARY: yeah ... low on content. L- I feel lost, yeah. I [00:11:40] did, I deleted Instagram and Twitter.

[00:11:42] KYLE: Okay. Before. You've read this book, so we'll go with this question.

[00:11:45] Um, how fa- this is a listener question. How fast [00:11:50] and, and hard do you push your business? Borrow when is enough, enough? Um, I think it's just read when is... [00:12:00] I think it's just supposed to say when is enough enough? Is it true that if you aren't growing, you're dying? Yes. I recently read a book-

[00:12:05] GARY: Yes ... "

[00:12:05] KYLE: Buy Back Your Time" by Dan Martell.

[00:12:07] Great book. And though I agree with much of the business [00:12:10] aspects about what he writes, it seems very secular and selfish

[00:12:15] GARY: It is. So like I follow Dan Martell, I get his emails. I've read that book. [00:12:20] It's a great book for, for anybody to read actually to some degree. I think it'd be-- there'd be healthy parts.

[00:12:25] Yeah. Some people wouldn't enjoy it at all. If you're not entrepreneurial, you might not enjoy it at all. But, [00:12:30] um-

[00:12:30] KYLE: Yeah, I, I

[00:12:30] GARY: remember- ... for anybody running a business, I think it'd be a great book to read. A lot of people are running businesses that are actually not entrepreneurs. They're technicians, right?

[00:12:39] Yeah. They're, they're [00:12:40] workers. They're-- But they just naturally have a great skill set, so people say, "Hey, you should do your own thing," right? Which leads to you being often frustrated. Um-

[00:12:47] KYLE: But it w- the book definitely, in my opinion at [00:12:50] least, doesn't, uh, answer the first part of this question. When is enough enough?

[00:12:53] It'll make you way more efficient in your output by delegating

[00:12:57] GARY: more. Uh, it's not even about that. It's more just about, I think the [00:13:00] idea of-- I mean, I'd be an example of that, and probably a really bad example. But I think people are always First of all, when there's never enough. [00:13:10] So like, if you, if you don't realize that there's never enough, you're in deep trouble.

[00:13:13] Like when is enough enough? There, there's never enough.

[00:13:16] KYLE: Yeah, that's right.

[00:13:16] GARY: So-

[00:13:17] KYLE: You're never gonna get that feeling.

[00:13:18] GARY: You're never gonna get that feeling. That, that I [00:13:20] can say with certainty. Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Your, your fulfillment needs to come from the Lord. But the, uh, but there is fulfillment, some level of fulfillment in running a [00:13:30] business and, and producing things and making money and doing deals.

[00:13:33] Um, and there's obviously... It's fascinating how if you run the two columns beside each other, there's the call to [00:13:40] like work hard. Like there's all these like things that we're called to do, especially as Christians, but I think- Yeah ... you know, even secular business owners would agree with this. You know, you're supposed to work hard.

[00:13:48] You're supposed to use your talents to the best of [00:13:50] your ability. Um, and on the flip side of that, like Dan Martell would say, "Hey, if you're mowing your own lawn, like if I go mow my lawn, that's just a foolish thing. That's a foolish [00:14:00] use of my time." Yeah. Like why would I do that? You know, you have to decide what your time's worth, and then you just buy it back, right?

[00:14:05] Um, that's the premise of the book. And so in my case where I'm paying people sometimes huge amounts of [00:14:10] money to do stuff, whether it be, you know, working at my farm, fixing stuff or- Yeah ... but you just gotta work within your own skill set. Now, I might just like mowing my lawn or, or in our case, in our family, we just think it's [00:14:20] healthy for our kids to see us working and do stuff together as a family.

[00:14:22] And so we quit paying someone to mow our lawn because when I first read the book, the very first thing I did was pay someone to go mow our lawn. Yeah. And it was great, and it still would [00:14:30] be great. It would be better than what we're doing now, where, you know, stuff's getting run over and everybody's life's getting risked with a lawnmower running around the yard.

[00:14:35] Yeah. Yeah. Um, uh, but I think Dan Martell is a [00:14:40] person that, um, I don't know if he's Christian or not. I would assume he's not.

[00:14:44] KYLE: I don't think

[00:14:44] GARY: he is, no. But he's very wealthy, and he's obviously doing a lot of good things with his money. He's supporting charities. It's not as if he's [00:14:50] super selfish person. Um, but he's built up, um, um, uh, an image online, if you followed it, if you're following him on Instagram, you know, that you look [00:15:00] a certain way, your body looks a certain way, the stuff you have looks a certain way.

[00:15:04] And in reality, like you can drive an old car from the '90s and be doing the right thing. It's probably actually more [00:15:10] likely what you're called to do. Like that's been my conviction anyways. Like you don't necessarily have to have the fanciest truck or car. There's not, not necessarily anything wrong with having a fancy car, but I'm just saying his idea would be that when you have [00:15:20] all those things, you've fully arrived.

[00:15:21] Yeah. And then I guess my question is, when is it enough? Like, is it okay to just fly first class, or should you have your own jet or...

[00:15:28] KYLE: Yeah, I think, I think it's more... [00:15:30] It, it's, it's enough when it's starting to hurt the other areas that are more important.

[00:15:36] GARY: No, that's not true. It's not

[00:15:38] KYLE: true Like, like you shouldn't...

[00:15:39] What do you mean?

[00:15:39] GARY: [00:15:40] Uh, because I think s- lots of people might, in his case, I mean, they, lots of guys have balance where maybe they don't go into tho- those areas ever. But I think you could still chase, you could still get [00:15:50] caught on the squirrel cage even if you're not,

[00:15:52] KYLE: you know- Yeah, you can still get sq- caught on the squirrel cage.

[00:15:54] I'm just saying that, like, if you're just working hard in your business and it happens to, [00:16:00] like, you keep having opportunity to grow, there's nothing... Take that opportunity-

[00:16:04] GARY: Yeah ...

[00:16:04] KYLE: as long as it's not taking away from-

[00:16:06] GARY: Affecting everything else, yeah ...

[00:16:07] KYLE: your, your other responsibilities, [00:16:10] um, of loving your wife first- Yeah

[00:16:11] loving your kids, like your, your, your own personal health, your faith life, then like, well, business is great. Like, we, we need Christian business owners, [00:16:20] and especially ones, y- you know, that wanna do something with the wealth that they're-

[00:16:24] GARY: Don't you think that to some extent you will sacri- some of those other things will be sacrificed to some extent to be successful?

[00:16:29] Do you [00:16:30] actually think it's possible to grow a large business and push really hard and not have family pay the price to some degree?

[00:16:36] KYLE: Yeah.

[00:16:37] GARY: You think it is possible to do it without that?

[00:16:39] KYLE: Yeah.

[00:16:39] GARY: Okay. [00:16:40] I would disagree with that.

[00:16:42] KYLE: I mean, it, it, it's, it's really gray and relative about like what a, what is, what is a sacrifice, but I think you can...

[00:16:48] It might, it might not [00:16:50] be, like the, might be way bigger if you didn't, if you had sacrificed a whole bunch of other things. I think you can still grow a really healthy- Okay ... strong business-

[00:16:58] GARY: Okay ...

[00:16:58] KYLE: um, and [00:17:00] doing it the right way.

[00:17:01] GARY: Okay.

[00:17:02] KYLE: You don't think you can build a strong, healthy business without sacrificing?

[00:17:04] GARY: I think to some degree your family will pay the price at some level. I just don't think it's, I don't think it's, it's [00:17:10] that utopian where you could have the idea of, hey, you're gonna, you know, push in this area, and then there's not gonna be some pr- price to pay somewhere else. I think ultimately-

[00:17:19] KYLE: But what, [00:17:20] I guess what's the price?

[00:17:21] Define the price. Like, is it-

[00:17:22] GARY: It's complicated 'cause there's both end. I mean, or there's, it's a, there's, it's, there's pros and cons, right? I mean, I would look at our family life and say [00:17:30] there's benefits and there's, there's negatives, right? And obviously, and you're, you know, you're making a valid point. If the negatives are perpetually piling up where, hey, the family's always sacrificing, there's something really wrong with that.

[00:17:39] KYLE: Yeah.

[00:17:39] GARY: [00:17:40] Um, I think there's a swath of people that think that they will run a business or that they will build something and there's not a, there's, there's not gonna be some sacrifice or people around them are not gonna get- [00:17:50]

[00:17:50] KYLE: No, I think you're sacrificing your own time more than anything. Like, so if y- like if you're trying to get a business off the ground, you're probably sacrificing hobbies.

[00:17:58] You're probably, like you're [00:18:00] sacrificing- Sure ... probably money that you could spend on leisure- Yep ... on, on the business. You're sacrificing... Like yeah, there's tons of sacrifices and y- it's not for the faint of heart. I mean- Yeah ... what? [00:18:10] 5% of businesses make it, make it past five years. Like it's, it's, it's, it's really, really hard.

[00:18:15] I'm just saying that it, you can, I think the things that really matter, like- [00:18:20] Uh, I don't think need to be sacrificed. Y- you know, I mean, there's lots of like other things that are

[00:18:26] GARY: Yeah. I don't have [00:18:30] hobbies, so I don't- Work. Work. No, I just enjoy what I do. I don't feel like I'm missing out on-

[00:18:37] KYLE: Yeah, I mean, that's the best

[00:18:38] GARY: hobby per se. That's

[00:18:38] KYLE: the best [00:18:40] when you

[00:18:40] GARY: love- It's not like I look at people that are golfing and before I'm driving by Royalwood and be like, "Man, I wish I was out there today."

[00:18:45] KYLE: Like- You wish golfing, yeah. Nothing at all? Never had hobbies?

[00:18:48] GARY: Hockey? I like hockey. Yeah, I like hockey, [00:18:50] but-

[00:18:50] KYLE: You never had a-

[00:18:50] GARY: As I've perpetually got-

[00:18:52] KYLE: pass or a rink and you're like, "

[00:18:52] GARY: Ah" I've gotten worse at hockey and, you know- Yeah ... I'm a really proud person, so now that I suck at it, I'm like not as eager to get out there. I force myself 'cause I think it's [00:19:00] healthy and good to be humbled, but...

[00:19:03] KYLE: Fair enough.

[00:19:04] GARY: Do you have any of the list of questions today, Kyle?

[00:19:06] KYLE: Uh-

[00:19:06] GARY: Haven't been on the show notes in a couple weeks.

[00:19:08] KYLE: I see that. Um, [00:19:10] the deceitfulness of politicians announcing tax cuts, complete BS. Okay, I think we- Oh, it's- ... kind of talked about

[00:19:16] GARY: that. Oh, Ca-

[00:19:17] KYLE: Last

[00:19:18] GARY: week. Yeah.

[00:19:19] KYLE: Um-

[00:19:19] GARY: I had [00:19:20] lunch with a guy today- You said there's too many realtors. Yeah, there's way too many realtors.

[00:19:23] It's really funny. It's terrifying. Eight- I think 80% of realtors in Toronto did not do a deal last year. [00:19:30]

[00:19:30] KYLE: I think you've told me about this as

[00:19:31] GARY: well. Yeah. Probably already talked about it.

[00:19:33] KYLE: Uh- Here

[00:19:33] GARY: too.

[00:19:34] KYLE: It's too many realtors ... how long should you date before marriage? We talked about that. Here, re- mailbag. [00:19:40] Uh, sleep habits, benefits versus risks of too much physical fitness.

[00:19:45] GARY: Seriously? Did somebody put this as... Is this a question or a comment?

[00:19:49] KYLE: Sent in. I can't [00:19:50] remember when I put it in, but it says mailbag. I don't remember this was sent in by like an old guy.

[00:19:53] GARY: Somebody.

[00:19:54] KYLE: I won't name drop him, but-

[00:19:54] GARY: No, don't. If you keep saying that this is anonymous, you cannot be dropping [00:20:00] names on this thing.

[00:20:00] People will be scared to leave feedback.

[00:20:04] KYLE: Sleep habits, yeah, benefits, risks of too much physical fitness. I don't know. [00:20:10] What are you doing? Like never seeing your family 'cause you're always running? Like, uh, take care of your body.

[00:20:15] GARY: Oh, I, I like people that run a lot. I think it's awesome.

[00:20:18] KYLE: I wish I ran a lot again.

[00:20:19] Yeah? I [00:20:20] can't. '

[00:20:20] GARY: Cause your back?

[00:20:21] KYLE: Arthritis in my hip.

[00:20:22] GARY: Okay. I have arthritis now too, I found out.

[00:20:24] KYLE: Oh, cool.

[00:20:24] GARY: Yeah.

[00:20:25] KYLE: Well done.

[00:20:25] GARY: Yeah. It's a disaster.

[00:20:27] KYLE: Brittle bone, brittle bone, brittle bone buddies.

[00:20:28] GARY: Okay. [00:20:30] Anyways.

[00:20:30] KYLE: Yeah, so I know. That's-

[00:20:31] GARY: Got a doctor call. It was a phone call. That's how I found out, eh? They asked for like a follow-up, and then it was a phone call.

[00:20:36] Have you done... You've d- you've done the phone calls 'cause- Yeah ... I've been on the phone call with you [00:20:40] while you were talking to your doctor. It was really awkward. Right after the podcast, Kyle's talking about all his issues. It's privates. But anyways, we got this with his doctor. But yeah, [00:20:50] just, uh... Oh, my word.

[00:20:52] My phone. My phone is- I'm a slave to my phone, Kyle.

[00:20:56] KYLE: I broke a lockbox out this weekend.

[00:20:58] GARY: Seriously?

[00:20:59] KYLE: Yeah. [00:21:00] So I put my phone in my lockbox-

[00:21:02] GARY: Yeah ...

[00:21:02] KYLE: on Sunday, all day Sunday, and then I went to go take off in the car, but I didn't have my little credit card key to drive my Tesla, which [00:21:10] is, uh, which is what I use when I don't have my phone 'cause my phone is my key otherwise.

[00:21:13] And Nicole's gone 'cause she has one, and I couldn't find the other one, so I couldn't leave the house and go to church or do anything. So I had to [00:21:20] get my phone.

[00:21:22] GARY: Crack.

[00:21:22] KYLE: Broke the box. Yeah, it went crash. Just took a wrench, snap, broke it in half and-

[00:21:27] GARY: Awful ...

[00:21:27] KYLE: ordered a new one off, n- new bottom off Amazon. [00:21:30]

[00:21:32] GARY: Okay.

[00:21:32] KYLE: Anyways, you were saying?

[00:21:35] GARY: Um, I was talking about my arthritis, but I think that the idea of, I have a [00:21:40] fascination with people that do ex- ultra running and- Oh, yeah ... ultra sports and biking. Like, there's like a bike race across America, like RAAM, where you bike across America in 40 days or [00:21:50] something or less.

[00:21:50] Yeah. It's insane. Like those, I don't know. I could see my- if I was- Anything, anything extreme ... physically fit, anything extreme- Yeah ... I, maybe I enjoy, but, um, I think it's healthy to push yourself.

[00:21:59] KYLE: How, [00:22:00] how much sleep do you get every night?

[00:22:01] GARY: Lots. Way more than people think. That's the first thing people always say to me if I like even broach kind of what I'm up to.

[00:22:07] Tell

[00:22:07] KYLE: me every

[00:22:07] GARY: day. They always say, "Oh, how do you even sleep at night?" Or, "How do you get [00:22:10] six kids, meh, meh, meh, six business?" I'm like, "Well, I actually sleep a lot," and I find that I am, uh- Like

[00:22:15] KYLE: how much?

[00:22:16] GARY: Like I'll sleep eight hours most nights.

[00:22:18] KYLE: Really?

[00:22:18] GARY: Yeah.

[00:22:19] KYLE: So you're waking up at [00:22:20] 7:30?

[00:22:20] GARY: Yeah, or go to bed at 10:00 and get up at 6:00 or- Yeah

[00:22:23] somewhere between there. I, where I'm a sleeper in here. Uh, maybe I don't get eight hours, but seven hours for sure.

[00:22:27] KYLE: Yeah, I need seven hours too.

[00:22:28] GARY: Yeah. And I feel [00:22:30] very well rested all the time, and I had periods in my life where I did not sleep at night. There was periods in my early 20s where I'd stay awake for 72 hours without drugs, so.

[00:22:38] KYLE: Y- whoa.

[00:22:39] GARY: Yeah. [00:22:40]

[00:22:40] KYLE: I haven't done that long. Um, well, and what about, uh, do you still bike a lot and hike a lot?

[00:22:44] GARY: It's been lots of hiking, yeah.

[00:22:46] KYLE: Lots of biking?

[00:22:46] GARY: Not enough. Not enough,

[00:22:47] KYLE: but- You need to get the bike. You need to get a bike.

[00:22:49] GARY: Yeah. [00:22:50] Um, most people don't exercise enough. Most people don't get enough physical fitness.

[00:22:56] And I f- don't know if this is just me or if everyone's like this. I would assume this is [00:23:00] kind of being human. Uh, one of the sayings that Dan Martell has, which is a great saying, is, "Exhaust the body, tame the, tame the mind." Yes.

[00:23:07] KYLE: That's so

[00:23:07] GARY: important. And it's so important, and [00:23:10] most men need to be way more tired.

[00:23:12] Most men have way too much energy, way too much time on their hands. They think they're tired, but it's 'cause they're sitting around. So I don't know. That's just- Yeah ... I just feel like people just need-- [00:23:20] If people were fried and their, their hands were dirty and their back's aching- I've noticed this last year when I like was having all these back

[00:23:24] KYLE: issues and I couldn't hike and run and everything else

[00:23:26] GARY: like

[00:23:26] KYLE: that- Okay

[00:23:26] I definitely

[00:23:27] GARY: need- Yeah, it gets pretty squirrely.

[00:23:28] KYLE: Yeah.

[00:23:29] GARY: [00:23:30] Yeah. So for me, exercise has been extremely healthy, so.

[00:23:34] KYLE: Like anything, it becomes a, can become a drug though. I know, I know a couple people that have on, uh, at Freedom Session put that as their drug of [00:23:40] choice.

[00:23:40] GARY: Exercising?

[00:23:41] KYLE: Yeah, just escaping Just like being just endless

[00:23:45] GARY: And I, I could see that.

[00:23:47] I mean, in my case it'd be like, yeah, not [00:23:50] people are like, "Well, you exercise at 9:30 at night." Well, that's just the time when I'm not encroaching on anybody else's expectation of me. So that's one idea, but.

[00:23:57] KYLE: Makes sense. Okay, mailbag question. I just texted it [00:24:00] to you so you could follow along- ... so, you know, your brain doesn't go sideways, and it's a long one.

[00:24:05] GARY: Um- Oh, my word. Oh,

[00:24:07] KYLE: my word. It's been sitting here for a while, so I thought I'd [00:24:10] give it a go. Um, "I'm confused with how the Dutch Reformed churches view the Sabbath. First of all, they make it seem like it's a day where no fun is allowed at all. Why? [00:24:20] Also, why are they so legalistic about taking the Sabbath on Sunday?

[00:24:24] I understand attending a church should be our priority, but the Sabbath was always Saturday in the New Testament. Christians gathered [00:24:30] on Sunday. But does that all of a sudden make it a new Sabbath day? So is it a sin to mow your lawn, lawn on Sunday? You can go to the lake every day of the week, but then on Sunday [00:24:40] it's forbidden.

[00:24:40] Should Sunday not be the most enjoyable day of the week? Not to mention how half the community are unsaved, but more-- but for some reason they feel like if [00:24:50] they buy a coffee on Sunday, they're condemned." "This screams legalism. Please help me understand where the community is coming from, and also how you guys view it now, now being a [00:25:00] bit more removed from the community."

[00:25:03] End of question.

[00:25:04] GARY: Oh, so that's more of a comment, but- ... I guess it is a bit of a question, too. Okay, you've had lots [00:25:10] of time to think about it. What's your, uh-

[00:25:11] KYLE: I have not had lots of time- ... what's your thought process? ... to think about it. Okay. So, um, I think it just comes from that, um, the [00:25:20] Old Testament rules on, on the, on the Sabbath, on some of the things they were, like, that were really laid out, uh, in detail.

[00:25:29] I don't know. People [00:25:30] like rules, man. That's, that's the whole... People like to have s- boxes and, and, and know exactly the details of what's allowed, what's not allowed. But I believe the Sunday was made for man, [00:25:40] not, um, wasn't made for God. That's how God, uh, defined it, and, uh, for us to, um, have it as a day of rest.

[00:25:48] Um, but [00:25:50] yeah, the, I mean, the three times Jesus did a miracle on Sunday and poked at the Pharisees because of it, the pool of Siloam-

[00:25:59] GARY: Yeah ...

[00:25:59] KYLE: when that [00:26:00] guy got healed, the crippled guy with the hand, and also, uh, eating the corn on Sunday. So I always think that's interesting that how he three times intentionally, like, poked at [00:26:10] that and be like, "Hey, I think you guys are off base here in what you're focusing on."

[00:26:14] Um, so I don't know, just-

[00:26:17] GARY: People that hold to it- ...

[00:26:18] KYLE: keeping it easy.

[00:26:19] GARY: Yeah. People that [00:26:20] hold to it, they love it, man. They literally love it. It's- It's a comfort ... it's a comfort, I guess. I, I think, um- I think that most of life, our spiritual life, is supposed to [00:26:30] be attention. That's kinda how I feel. I feel like we should be constantly being ground down and convicted.

[00:26:34] I think the minute that we feel like we have arrived or are doing something perfectly, which is how a lot of people would view how they [00:26:40] are o- keeping the Sabbath, even though I agree with the idea of keeping a Sabbath. Um, but much more from the ex- extent of like, A, I think we were created to have a [00:26:50] day of rest.

[00:26:50] That's kinda like goes back to how the world was created. Even

[00:26:53] KYLE: biologically.

[00:26:54] GARY: Yeah. I just think it's healthy. I, I mean For all intents and purposes, I keep the Sabbath [00:27:00] i- in a lot of ways, but obviously not to the letter of the law that, you know, I don't wanna say the Pharisees of our day, but people of our day that would be s- you know, really feel strongly about this would [00:27:10] stand.

[00:27:11] Um, I find it humorous too, because for me, I hang out in so many different circles from so many different denominations that we come from, [00:27:20] and they all look at things a bit differently. And once again, they all are- think they're exactly have nailed it, and they're obviously all wrong-

[00:27:27] KYLE: Yeah ...

[00:27:27] GARY: to some degree.

[00:27:28] KYLE: Yeah.

[00:27:29] GARY: And nobody can [00:27:30] ever just say that. So it's like, well, if you come from the posture of, "Hey, we think we've nailed it," like, I'm done. Um- You, like,

[00:27:36] KYLE: can't have a conversation anymore after a-

[00:27:37] GARY: Well, you can have a conversation, but I mean, you're [00:27:40] basically... When your whole premise is, "Hey, I'm gonna try to convince you, uh, you know, why you're doing something wrong," um, I think your example, those verses, [00:27:50] and I've been reading through the Bible a lot more lately than I ever have, and if you read those in a version that you can understand, you read those stories, um, and you read them over and over, and you [00:28:00] start to see, you can just, you can see exactly what's happening there.

[00:28:02] You can see, like, okay, God's on Earth, and he sees the pe- the church leaders, and we know who the church leaders are, right? Do we know who the [00:28:10] people that are the real followers are? They, they, they might be Christians, they might be non-Christians, they might just be judgmental people who feel better than- Yeah

[00:28:16] in our world, and then you get into this spot where, you know, ultimately [00:28:20] I've seen it my whole life where, hey, we, we make, we make, we create the criteria of what the right thing to do is, not from any love, not from any, you know, basically it's the clang and cymbal thing again, right? We've [00:28:30] created this framework of what we think right and wrong is.

[00:28:32] We've made that what matters, even though there's 1,000 areas of our life of sin that are probably more d- Way more ... way more damaging. We [00:28:40] pick this thing 'cause it's very out- outwardly, it's very easy to critique, right? It's, it's easy to catch people in it. It's like, hey, you know. So everybody does every, you know, they work super hard on Saturday so everything [00:28:50] looks perfect Sunday from the outside, and then it's this idea and, um-

[00:28:54] KYLE: I think it's an avoidance of guilt, right?

[00:28:55] We hate the feeling of guilt that we're, like, that's a feeling that most [00:29:00] people avoid feeling. And so if you can have 10 ru- you know, 10, 20 rules, whatever, that the community follows that you are hitting, then you can, it's, [00:29:10] it's an avoidance of the- Yeah ... o- of, of that guilt feeling. We don't want to... 'Cause what is you're feeling guilty?

[00:29:15] It's being broken. It's like, it's saying that like, "Hey, I, I am, I am, I'm [00:29:20] a screw-up," right? And that's what- Yeah ... we've... Well, I, most of my life was resisting feeling. Yeah. Like, I wanted to run away from that. Yeah. Like, and not be that.

[00:29:27] GARY: Yeah. I guess the other verses that come to mind when I think [00:29:30] of Sabbath ad- observance or the idea of, like, you know, how people, and I, 'cause I have so many people in my life that are feel strong in this.

[00:29:36] Some people who I really respect and, in a lot of ways are living godly lives. [00:29:40] Many who are not, who feel strongly about this is where you really, you know, and you would have that a lot too, where people aren't even Christians, and they're just, this is their thing. And it's like-

[00:29:47] KYLE: Oh, I

[00:29:47] GARY: see ... you don't love the Lord, so like what are you doing here?

[00:29:49] [00:29:50] Like, what, why are you even talking about this? It's just embarrassing. Oh, yeah. Like you're, you're embarrassing yourself. Stop. I see what you're saying. Like who are you, who are you deceiving? You're not deceiving God. Like He can see your heart. Like what are you, what are you doing? You know what [00:30:00] I mean?

[00:30:00] Like- Yeah. I get it. I- ... if you're doing it out of a deep love for the Lord, and you feel like, hey, you're actually gonna spend the day worshiping Him, hey, like that's, that's God honoring. Good for you. But like if you're coming at it from an angle of, [00:30:10] hey, you somehow think that this person's worse 'cause they're doing something that you're not on a certain day of the week.

[00:30:14] So like I always come back to like this is one of the... And I don't know, I'm not a biblical scholar so, [00:30:20] but this verse has k- have always stuck out, stood out to me, um, in Romans 14. And there's probably people that are, are a lot more, uh, biblically astute than I am that might think this is [00:30:30] not what this is talking about.

[00:30:31] Um, but in Romans 14, uh, C- Paul talks about the weak and the strong. It's, and Romans is like super heavy and dense, and like Romans [00:30:40] is, it's-

[00:30:40] KYLE: I love Romans.

[00:30:41] GARY: It... Yeah. I mean, it's too much for me 'cause I'm a dumb farmer, but I'll just read this. "Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters."

[00:30:49] That's how the ver- chapter [00:30:50] starts. "One person's faith allows them to eat anything, but another whose faith is weak eats only vegetables." Now, this, this conversation would've come because of course, and th- and [00:31:00] that's what's interesting about people today, like we obviously believe in the whole Bible and the inerrancy of Scripture, but there's 1,000 rules in the Old Testament that we don't follow.

[00:31:06] We realize they were Levitical law. And of course, these Jews in the [00:31:10] New Testament, in the early church, are wrestling with, "Hey, which of these rules do we still need to follow?" Interestingly enough, 2,000 years later, of course, some people have thrown out everything, and some people are still clinging [00:31:20] to borderline Levitical laws or at least, you know, certain things that maybe some of us would feel a little more freedom in.

[00:31:24] So it says, "The one who eats anything must not treat with contempt the one who does not. The one who does not eat [00:31:30] everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master servant stand or fall, and they will stand. And they will stand for the [00:31:40] Lord is able to make them stand."

[00:31:42] I'll probably read nine, eight. "One person considers one day more sacred than another, another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in [00:31:50] their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God, and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives [00:32:00] thanks to God.

[00:32:00] For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. If we live, we live for the Lord, and if we die, we die for the Lord. So whether we live or die, we belong [00:32:10] to the Lord." Um- So then it goes on to say, "You then, why do you judge your brother or sister, or why do you treat them with contempt?

[00:32:17] For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. [00:32:20] It is written: 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me, and every tongue will acknowledge God.' So then, each of us will give an account to ourselves to God. Let us stop passing [00:32:30] judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of your brother or sister."

[00:32:36] So this would be more along the lines, and it goes on to talk about being unclean and s- et cetera. [00:32:40] So, you know, some people have freedom to do a lot of things that others don't. Now, on the... So some people drink. I don't drink. You know, the challenge would be, hey, don't... You know, if Gary's struggling with [00:32:50] drinking, don't be serving booze in front...

[00:32:51] Yeah. Like, as a Christian brother or sister, we would just be gracious in that way, right? And that could... I just use drinking 'cause I don't drink. I don't care if you drink in front of me. But a lot of people, it is a problem, so you wouldn't [00:33:00] do that in front of them, right? And I think we, we get into these rules and regulations, um, because it's...

[00:33:06] And I don't know. I always say it's Dutch people 'cause I just live surrounded by our [00:33:10] Dutch culture that we live in, where people are super ru- rule-oriented, box-checking, everything's dialed in on the outside. Like, you know, the community that we live in looks [00:33:20] amazing from the outside. Yeah. There's really, like, you know, you know, wealthy, well-off, hardworking, all the, the things of even in that our culture, it'd be like, "Wow, these people are doing well," right?

[00:33:29] Yeah, yeah. Um, [00:33:30] and so I feel like the Sabbath thing is just an example of, hey, we've moved into... And, I mean, people there are doing it out-- a lot of people there are doing it out of deep conviction. And so my-

[00:33:38] KYLE: Maybe you've been taught your whole life this is super serious,

[00:33:39] GARY: right? No, [00:33:40] not even that. I don't even think that.

[00:33:42] That's- I mean, that might be part of it. I would, uh, but I would be more gracious than that. I would say, hey, if, if you are, if you feel that in your conscience, it comes back to this text. Okay, yeah. If you [00:33:50] feel that that's important, that's okay.

[00:33:51] KYLE: That's right.

[00:33:52] GARY: But when you make your convictions everybody else's rules because you are sensitive in that area, and you're taking scripture...

[00:33:59] And, and [00:34:00] actually, I listened to a very, very interesting, um, sermon about this The other day where it's like, uno, I did not listen to a sermon. I read a book, Martyn [00:34:10] Lloyd-Jones' book. It's worth... This is a great book. He's a

[00:34:12] KYLE: great guy.

[00:34:13] GARY: Great, great theologian, and he wrote a s- um, some lady by hand wrote verbatim his sermon series on [00:34:20] the Sermon on the Mount.

[00:34:21] KYLE: Oh, wow.

[00:34:21] GARY: The whole book. Good enough that he took it and literally put it into a book from pleading from people from his church. Now, this is, I don't wanna lie, I think 100 years ago or something, [00:34:30] right? Like a school-

[00:34:30] KYLE: Yeah, I think a guy in his 70s or 80s.

[00:34:32] GARY: Okay. Yeah. Okay. So it was probably 1940s or '50s that he preached the sermon.

[00:34:35] Yeah. Anyways, it w- he talks exactly about this, how all of us, we [00:34:40] always are tempted to go to scripture with our theories and then find things that back up our theories. Yeah. Everybody does. Human nature.

[00:34:45] KYLE: In life, that was a, that was a co- a coaching principle I always taught. We, we look for evidence of the beliefs we already [00:34:50] have.

[00:34:50] GARY: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:34:51] KYLE: That's how people kind of approach the world, and that's why, you know, you get stuck in certain ruts because-

[00:34:55] GARY: Yeah ... you're

[00:34:56] KYLE: going into pre-

[00:34:57] GARY: Yeah. So what I would say, I guess, is where I was gonna go with that is, [00:35:00] hey, there's people that for this is a deep conviction, and that's fine. But where I would struggle is where it's the idea of, hey, I might have more liberty on the Sabbath to do things like grab a [00:35:10] coffee, that you would just be like, "Hey, that's heretical.

[00:35:11] Like, you could not be a Christian and do that." Um, I, my, my question always would be, "Hey, have you prayed about it? Like, have you actually talked to God about it? Have you communicated and said, 'Hey, [00:35:20] that I'm struggling. Could my Christian brother or sister do this?'" Right? And I think-

[00:35:24] KYLE: I remember asking my dad about this- Yeah

[00:35:25] 'cause we were watching, uh, I think I mentioned we were watching, I think, Mark Driscoll- Okay ... where I said he, I had [00:35:30] seen him even lead a whole bunch of NFL players, and-

[00:35:32] GARY: Okay, that are playing Su-

[00:35:33] KYLE: football on Sunday morning ... that's kind of interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So I asked him, like, how is it possible? 'Cause at the time, this is like 15, 20 years ago, that, um, he was th- like pretty [00:35:40] Calvinistic guy, uh, Mark Driscoll was at the time.

[00:35:43] Um, anyway- Still is ... like, he was kinda saying the same things that Reformed theology was saying, and so I, I asked my dad, "How come it's [00:35:50] possible this guy's saved, and, like, he does all this stuff?" And, and he's like, my dad said, "Well, he might drive past our church and see all the nice cars and be like, 'How are those people saved?

[00:35:59] How can they go, [00:36:00] like, spend money on-" How

[00:36:00] GARY: could they have so much wealth and-

[00:36:02] KYLE: Yeah ...

[00:36:02] GARY: hoard their...

[00:36:02] KYLE: Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and so-

[00:36:04] GARY: Struggle with materialism or- ... cultural...

[00:36:06] KYLE: Yeah, cultural things are, are... I mean, we're blind to our own [00:36:10] sin, right? That's-

[00:36:11] GARY: Yeah, I guess the question I would ask, this is a deeper question, but, hey, is it sin if you're blind to it?

[00:36:16] Like, like, in that case, like- Yeah, I mean- ... is it right or wrong? Like, are there [00:36:20] areas that it... There's obviously some g- level of grace. In scripture, you read about- Yeah ... matters of conscience. There's grace in some of these areas.

[00:36:26] KYLE: Different things that get emphasized over-

[00:36:27] GARY: Yeah ...

[00:36:27] KYLE: you know? Like, yeah.

[00:36:28] GARY: Yeah.

[00:36:29] KYLE: I mean, I've [00:36:30] seen someone sh- recently share the, uh, an article from, about the Ben Sasse thing, about how he said like, "Hey, I regret, uh, not, not spending more time on the Sabbath- Mm-hmm

[00:36:38] and also not having more kids." [00:36:40] But I'm like, I wonder if they also f- follow Ben Sasse's, um, belief of faith in Christ. You know, like-

[00:36:46] GARY: Or if it's just that

[00:36:47] KYLE: point that they agree

[00:36:48] GARY: to ...

[00:36:48] KYLE: or if there's those things, right? Like, [00:36:50] that's, that's ultimately... You know, if someone comes and talks to me about the Sunday or anything else like that, I quickly try to steer the conversation towards like wh- what's, what's the motivation?

[00:36:58] What's driving this? Like, do you know Jesus [00:37:00] yourself? Like, do you, have you believed in him? Like, because- Otherwise it's like, ooh, let's... Stuff's out of order here. Um-

[00:37:07] GARY: Yeah.

[00:37:08] KYLE: Like they're not, it's not like these aren't important [00:37:10] issues. Yeah. So like, I think Sabbath is a really good thing. Uh, I love putting my phone away.

[00:37:14] Like I, I- Yeah ... I like, you know, you know, having a brain break.

[00:37:19] GARY: Yeah. [00:37:20] I think, and I guess on the flip side of it, you know, if you're in Christian community and people are super, you know, sensitive towards it, I mean, I would err on the side of, hey, you're not gonna... I [00:37:30] wouldn't wanna do things that would intentionally aggravate people or, you know, f- that they would find offensive.

[00:37:35] I, I find that the Sabbath, there again, it's just, man, when it's, if it's not done in love, y- it's the clanging [00:37:40] cymbal, and I think there's just a lot of clanging cymbals in our world. And so, yeah, I would agree with you. You have to ask yourself where, where's your heart at? And, um-

[00:37:48] KYLE: Leonhard, every time Gary says [00:37:50] clanging cymbal, add a little noise.

[00:37:52] Dang. Uh- I got a job [00:38:00] posting this week for a guy that does, uh, remediation type work. So anytime there's a house gets burned down-

[00:38:05] GARY: Yeah, or a flood ...

[00:38:06] KYLE: or a flood or anything else like that- Okay ... they go in there and they get it all fixed up. So it's kind [00:38:10] of like a general contractor, but you're always dealing with that kind of stuff-

[00:38:12] GARY: Okay

[00:38:12] KYLE: from start to finish, and need to be able to work out of town a bit. Um, but it's, uh, a job local to Chilliwack here. Um, pays pretty well. [00:38:20] Know the owner. Um, he's a good guy. Okay. And so, uh, if you know somebody interested in that-

[00:38:26] GARY: If you wanna work out of town.

[00:38:28] KYLE: Yeah. At [00:38:30] least to... Yes, I mean, a lot of these, uh... I mean, some of the places that got burned down a couple years ago, right?

[00:38:34] Um, there's some in Jasper. Was it Jasper? No.

[00:38:37] GARY: Lytton.

[00:38:38] KYLE: Lytton. Lytton.

[00:38:39] GARY: Fort McMurray. [00:38:40]

[00:38:40] KYLE: Yeah, Fort McMurray's one, yeah.

[00:38:42] GARY: Okay. I hung out with somebody the other day, and they said their family members, their, uh, wives appreciate it when their husband's gone, so maybe- I told my culture that ... maybe [00:38:50] you're, maybe you're in that kind of marriage and you need to get away.

[00:38:51] I don't know. Far be it for

[00:38:53] KYLE: me to- I told my culture that. I was like, "Hey, you can leave more often. I had a great time with the boys."

[00:38:56] GARY: Okay. I do not do well when my wife's gone. No? No. No.

[00:38:59] KYLE: I mean, it's [00:39:00] different for you. But I, like, I got two kids that, like Malachi and Peter are five and nine, so they can hop in a vehicle and we can just go anywhere.

[00:39:05] Free

[00:39:05] GARY: agents, yeah.

[00:39:05] KYLE: So like, we just go on adventures and hang out and-

[00:39:08] GARY: Yeah. Okay. [00:39:10] Yeah, more kids definitely adds challenges. I don't know. Marie's the regulator in our house, and she keeps, she keeps control of everything, and when she's not there, I really struggle. Like, even when I drive the kids to school and [00:39:20] they're sitting right beside me and I cannot not keep them in line.

[00:39:22] KYLE: 'Cause you're trying to do two things at once, though.

[00:39:24] GARY: Trying to drive and parent?

[00:39:25] KYLE: And be on your phone. I guarantee you, if you [00:39:30] drove them to school without a phone, it would be a much more enjoyable experience.

[00:39:33] GARY: I always listen to podcasts. We listen to American History Tellers, Business Wars.

[00:39:37] KYLE: Yeah.

[00:39:37] GARY: Just educating these kids.

[00:39:39] Right now we're [00:39:40] listening to a very interesting podcast about the, uh, San Francisco Gold Rush.

[00:39:45] KYLE: Oh, I didn't even know there was a gold rush there.

[00:39:47] GARY: Yeah, you did. That's literally-

[00:39:48] KYLE: In San Francisco?

[00:39:49] GARY: [00:39:50] Like in California, the California Gold Rush.

[00:39:52] KYLE: No, I mean, no, knew about up here, like Billy Barker and stuff like that, but not down there.

[00:39:56] GARY: L- it's literally the reason that there's the West Coast is why [00:40:00] the West Coast was what it was. It was, it's pretty- Gold rush. Just because of the gold rush. Worth listening to the podcast. All right. Very interesting.

[00:40:07] KYLE: Send it to me.

[00:40:07] GARY: Okay. [00:40:10]

[00:40:10] KYLE: Okay. That's, uh-

[00:40:12] GARY: How would you rate this podcast, Kyle, out of all our podcasts, out of 10?

[00:40:16] Yeah. I'd give it probably- What would you give it?

[00:40:17] KYLE: Uh, probably a three and a half.

[00:40:19] GARY: [00:40:20] No, it's better than that. We've had some- You think so? Well, first of all, we've had some really crappy ones, and it wa- it's never as bad as you think it is, right? It's just not that entertaining.

[00:40:27] KYLE: I was not prepared. I texted Gary 10 minutes before I get here.

[00:40:29] I'm like, "Can [00:40:30] we just record a different time?"

[00:40:30] GARY: Tonight,

[00:40:31] KYLE: later. I did not want to talk.

[00:40:31] GARY: No. No, you did good.

[00:40:33] KYLE: Um, I, uh, got approval for the, um, location for the Briefcase and Baars. The

[00:40:39] GARY: summer social?

[00:40:39] KYLE: The [00:40:40] summer social.

[00:40:40] GARY: Okay. So- Is it gonna be episode 100?

[00:40:43] KYLE: Uh, no. Well, well, yeah. It should be. We, we tried to... I tried to line up around there.

[00:40:46] It'll be celebrating at least ep- episode 104, which is two years. [00:40:50] Um-

[00:40:50] GARY: Oh, you better be careful when you're booking this, man.

[00:40:52] KYLE: It's gonna be- Not gonna be around ... July or early August. So we'll figure out a date exactly, but, um-

[00:40:57] GARY: It'll be no phones, though.

[00:40:58] KYLE: It'll be no phones.

[00:40:59] GARY: And it won't [00:41:00] be recorded.

[00:41:00] KYLE: It will not be, not be recorded.

[00:41:02] Uh, we'll have a whole bunch of good food. Um- And it'll be entertaining ... hopefully a live, uh, a silent auction. It'll be a

[00:41:06] GARY: live, a live auction.

[00:41:08] KYLE: Silent

[00:41:08] GARY: auction. And a live one.

[00:41:08] KYLE: Silent auction.

[00:41:09] GARY: And a live one, [00:41:10] all Yodel 2, 100%.

[00:41:14] KYLE: Um, we're gonna make it a fun, fun... Maybe we'll bring out the bull.

[00:41:18] GARY: The mechanical [00:41:20] bull.

[00:41:20] KYLE: Yeah.

[00:41:20] GARY: Do people actually like going on the mechanical bull?

[00:41:22] KYLE: There's gonna be five people that will wanna go on it.

[00:41:24] GARY: And everybody else will- And everyone else wanna be

[00:41:26] KYLE: entertained ...

[00:41:26] GARY: hate it and watch it. Yeah, that's not even the... It's-

[00:41:29] KYLE: Anyway, [00:41:30] we'll, uh, I'll, I'll try to... No, I'll, I'll make it a good event.

[00:41:32] GARY: I like the idea of having it not recorded- Yeah

[00:41:35] 'cause I would definitely record a different podcast if this did not go on the internet. [00:41:40] I can- It's sh- shame on me. Shame on me. Yeah, I am definitely more entertaining when I'm not on, uh, YouTube.

[00:41:46] KYLE: I mean, there's definitely more things I would say.

[00:41:48] GARY: Sometimes, you know what I think of doing? [00:41:50] Starting a podca- podcast, like a YouTube channel, and having, like, a mask on.

[00:41:54] KYLE: Mm.

[00:41:54] GARY: And just go full-on rogue undercover. You can do that using

[00:41:57] KYLE: AI. Just

[00:41:58] GARY: randomly. Yeah, I guess you [00:42:00] don't actually have to. That'd be kind of... I'm kind of from the Stone Ages, right? Didn't realize you could do that, right? Yeah. I'd still have the, the paper bag over my head, right?

[00:42:06] KYLE: Or literally just do a paper bag and-

[00:42:08] GARY: For entertainment reasons.

[00:42:09] For [00:42:10] some reason, Kyle's- And just go off about all kinds of

[00:42:12] KYLE: stuff ... always

[00:42:14] GARY: promoting TNT Hazleton. Gary Carter. He's always talking about his mechanic shop.

[00:42:16] KYLE: Yeah.

[00:42:17] GARY: Rosedale.

[00:42:18] KYLE: Peace. [00:42:20]

[00:42:20] GARY: Better than a three and a half out of 10, but definitely not over five. Yeah.[00:42:30]

[00:42:31] KYLE: Boring

[00:42:38] GARY: It's so bad. [00:42:40] I'll try.

[00:42:44] Patch it in somehow?

[00:42:45] KYLE: So... Sorry, I wanted to ask you, [00:42:50] Gary, one more thing here.

[00:42:51] GARY: Yeah.

[00:42:51] KYLE: We're just turning it back on. What are you gonna do with the Easy Flow building?

[00:42:55] GARY: Easy Flow.

[00:42:57] KYLE: I wasn't sure if you would let me keep this in [00:43:00] or not, but I, I heard that you're getting a building. You

[00:43:02] GARY: heard it's... You heard that I, uh, I, I could suck start a leaf blower or-

[00:43:07] KYLE: Yeah

[00:43:07] GARY: a vacuum cleaner business.

[00:43:09] KYLE: [00:43:10] Some s- some guy, I was told some guy, some business guy bought, bought this building. I was like, "Oh, curious to know who it is."

[00:43:17] GARY: Did they tell you that I bought it?

[00:43:19] KYLE: Yeah.

[00:43:19] GARY: Okay. [00:43:20] Yeah. Yeah, Johnny and I, uh, Beacon Auctions, bought the, uh, uh, trampoline place.

[00:43:26] KYLE: Yeah. Iconic Chilliwack trampoline place.

[00:43:28] GARY: It is an iconic, yeah.

[00:43:29] KYLE: Yeah.

[00:43:29] GARY: [00:43:30] It's been there, uh... Fellow who ran it has passed away, but ran it for many, many years. Three different businesses out of there. Which in a way kind of makes sense, I guess, that I would buy it. Yeah. As somebody [00:43:40] that, uh, would try to do three different businesses out of one building and-

[00:43:43] KYLE: Yeah

[00:43:46] GARY: We are debating what we're gonna do with the building.

[00:43:48] KYLE: Okay.

[00:43:48] GARY: All, all options [00:43:50] are on the table.

[00:43:50] KYLE: Okay. I was, I was like, "Oh, great place to advertise," 'cause it's on the highway there- Oh,

[00:43:53] GARY: it's phenomenal spot ...

[00:43:54] KYLE: for, for, uh-

[00:43:55] GARY: Anything ...

[00:43:56] KYLE: for, yeah.

[00:43:57] GARY: Tractors- Space branding.

[00:43:58] KYLE: Tractors ...

[00:43:58] GARY: auction. I've thought tractors,

[00:43:59] KYLE: yeah.

[00:43:59] GARY: We was, [00:44:00] we are thinking of doing a regular, like a monthly auction.

[00:44:03] Oh, wow. Like expanding Beekman Auctions in a big way, and like doing monthly sales- Oh, wow ... and selling all kinds of stuff, and- Oh, okay ... like, and that's a great spot for it. So that [00:44:10] was the big one.

[00:44:10] KYLE: Well, it's not big enough, would it?

[00:44:12] GARY: Oh, yeah.

[00:44:13] KYLE: I guess it depends how big the auction is, but.

[00:44:15] GARY: It's not gonna be like our normal.

[00:44:16] It'll be a very different

[00:44:17] KYLE: stock. A lot live online auction?

[00:44:18] GARY: Yeah, it'll be very different. It wouldn't [00:44:20] be like as ag focused. It would be agricultural stuff, but it would be-

[00:44:23] KYLE: Anything ...

[00:44:23] GARY: bankruptcies, foreclosures, just, you know-

[00:44:27] KYLE: Crap ...

[00:44:27] GARY: crap. Just, it's amazing how much stuff [00:44:30] gets sold every day in the Lower Mainland- Yeah

[00:44:31] by auction that just gets blown out. Yeah. Stuff that gets wrecked, mislabeled, scratched, dented, stolen, I don't know, foreclosed on. A lot of [00:44:40] people, the whole world is financed now, and so the amount of stuff that, you know, gets repossessed is a lot higher than people realize, and we're entering in a period of, you know, steep, [00:44:50] steep- Take advantage

[00:44:50] take advantage of people's distress, yes. Sorry. Peace. That's it. That's why you [00:45:00] brought it back in?

[00:45:03] Are you gonna clean it?

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